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Brad Jacobs does not do small. He has built eight separate billion-dollar companies in fields most people find boring, such as garbage, construction equipment, logistics, and distribution. To Brad, boring means opportunity. While competitors sleep, he sees waste that needs fixing and markets that are ready to be consolidated.
What makes Brad unusual is not only his record. It is his approach. He breathes problems like oxygen. He hires people who are smarter than he is. He treats public markets as free consulting from top investors. He does it with an energy that makes other billionaires look tired.
This conversation pulls back the curtain on how Brad thinks, operates, and builds. You will hear stories about his mentors, his failures, and the principles that turned a 23 year old oil trader into one of the most successful serial entrepreneurs alive. These are not abstract ideas, they are battle tested lessons from someone who has spent forty years in the arena.
The Ludwig Jesselson Mentorship: Problems Are Your Friend
Brad was 23 when he began regular lunches with Ludwig Jesselson, who ran Philipp Brothers, the largest commodity trading firm in the world. Jesselson was decades older, far more accomplished, and deeply principled, a man who believed in long term relationships over short term wins.
One day, Brad showed up to lunch glum. He unloaded his problems, stress about deals, issues with employees, the usual chaos of building a business. He expected sympathy.
Instead, Jesselson said, "Do not stay in the business world if you are going to get down on this stuff. This is what you should get up for. We have problems, we have challenges. By addressing those, that is how you make money. The more problems you have, as long as you can solve them, that is how you are creating value. "
Brad remembers this moment as a turning point. Jesselson did not just tolerate problems. He welcomed them. To him, obstacles were not roadblocks, they were the entire point. If you cannot handle incoming missiles, you will not be successful. More important, you will not be happy.
Problems are not the enemy. They are the job. If you solve them, you create value. If you let them drag you down, you will fail and feel miserable while doing it.
Your relationship with adversity shapes everything. The best entrepreneurs do not just endure stress, they are energized by it.
Quote: "You make money by solving problems. So the more problems you have, as long as you can solve them, that is how you are creating value."
The A Player Thought Experiment
Brad obsesses over talent. He says the CEO’s most important job is hiring great people. But how do you know if someone is truly excellent?
He uses a mental exercise. Imagine the person walks into your office and says, "Brad, I quit. This is not about a counteroffer. It is over. Let us make the transition smooth."
Then Brad asks himself, how do I feel?
If the reaction is relief, "Great, I do not have to fire them," that is a C player. Move them out.
If the reaction is mild disappointment, "That is a loss, but we will find someone better," that is a B player. Acceptable, but not critical.
If the reaction is fear, "I will never find someone this good again. I am in trouble," that is an A player. Keep them at all costs.
Brad wants his entire senior team to be A players. He wants mutual dependence. They cannot imagine life without him, and he cannot imagine life without them.
Most companies tolerate mediocrity because firing feels uncomfortable. Brad makes it a priority.
A players do more than perform. They lift everyone around them. One great hire is worth ten average ones.
Build a team where losing anyone would feel catastrophic. That is how you create a superorganism.
Quote: "I want all A players around me. I want people whose relationship with me I value so much that if it was ended, I would be lost."
The Monthly Operating Review: Crowdsourced Agendas
Most CEOs run meetings by dictating the agenda. Brad does the opposite.
Before his monthly operating reviews, which are ten hour sessions with twenty five senior leaders, Brad sends everyone pre read materials, decks, metrics, and KPIs. No one presents during the meeting. Everyone arrives having read the data.
Then Brad uses an app to collect input. He asks, what are your main takeaways, and what are the most important questions we should debate?
People submit answers. Everyone rates the questions from one to ten. Anything rated eight or above becomes the agenda.
Why do this, because the agenda is better when it is built by twenty five sharp minds instead of one. People engage more when they own the process.
At the end of the meeting, Brad goes around the room.
What did someone say today that you disagree with?
What is your single biggest takeaway?
Who is an MVP in the field we should recognize?
Who around this table impressed you today, and why?
Then they stand in a circle, look at each other in silence, and think about gratitude. Sometimes the applause lasts five minutes.
Top down leadership is overrated. The best leaders build systems where the team finds the truth together.
Feedback loops matter. The more you ask, the better you get.
Gratitude is not soft. It is strategic. Happy teams beat miserable ones.
Quote: "I have created a superorganism. I have created a beehive. The sum is greater than the collection of the parts."
The Unfiltered Information Pipeline
When Brad buys a company, he immediately asks employees three questions.
What would you do to improve the company?
What is the dumbest thing we are doing?
What is the smartest thing we are doing?
Most companies never ask frontline workers these questions. They assume executives know best. Brad knows better.
He reads every employee survey himself. Thousands of them. Why, because the person handling material for eight hours a day knows things the CEO does not. That perspective matters.
This mirrors Jim Casey at UPS. Casey wanted direct access to drivers. He would pull over when he saw a brown UPS truck and talk to the driver, no managers, no filters.
Sam Walton did the same thing. He would fly to random Walmart stores at five in the morning, talk to stockers and cashiers, and learn what corporate did not know.
Executives hide bad news because their incentives reward looking good. Frontline workers tell the truth because they have nothing to lose.
If you are not seeking feedback all the time, you are flying blind.
Transparency builds trust. Share information widely, even the bad stuff. Competitors may copy you, but your team will improve faster.
Quote: "You do not know how you are doing unless you have radar sending beep beep out there and seeing how it comes back. You have to have intense feedback loops."
The Toolkit: Buy Right, Improve Fast
Brad has built eight billion dollar companies using the same playbook.
Step 1: Pick the right industry
Large, growing, fragmented markets
Reasonable acquisition prices
Technology can create an edge
AI and automation will not wipe it out soon
Step 2: Assemble an A plus team
Hire people who are smarter than you
Make them partners with equity
Lock up shares for five years so they stay committed
Step 3: Buy companies at disciplined prices
Look at thousands of targets
Do not fall in love with any single deal
Buy at a lower multiple than you trade at
Step 4: Double the profit in three to five years
Improve pricing with algorithms
Upgrade technology
Fix compensation systems
Change operations
Brad’s two key metrics are organic revenue growth that beats competitors and margin expansion. If he hits both, shareholder value follows.
You do not need a new model. Brad uses the same toolkit every time. Mastery beats novelty.
The best acquisitions create value right away. If you buy at a five times EBITDA multiple and trade at ten times, you have already won.
Big changes are not magic. It is a checklist, pricing, procurement, tech, compensation, and culture. Execute without stopping.
Quote: "This is what I do. I know how to do this. I have done it many times before. I have made every mistake in the book, and I have refined it."
Public Markets as Free Consulting
Brad likes being public. Many founders avoid it because they hate scrutiny, quarterly pressure, and critics.
Brad sees it differently. Public markets give you a huge crowd studying your business. Some views are wrong. Some are sharp. All are free.
He says, "You get advice from the smartest people in the world, global allocators managing billions. They tell you what they like and do not like. You do not have to agree with it all, but you would be foolish to ignore it."
Being public also builds your brand faster. When drivers or warehouse workers consider joining, they can search for you. They see research reports, press releases, and stock prices. You become known. They trust you more.
Compensation is transparent too. Employees can check their equity value on their iPhone every day. In private companies, phantom shares are vague. Public companies make wealth visible.
If you fear criticism, you are not ready to lead. Feedback, even harsh feedback, makes you better.
Public markets force discipline. You cannot hide bad quarters. That pressure is a feature, not a bug.
Brand matters. Top talent wants to work for companies they have heard of.
Quote: "I love being public. I love the pressure. I love the ability to hear what the street says and agree with what I agree with, but disagree with what I think is wrong."
Time Management: WOTWOM
Brad’s short label for bad ideas is WOTWOM, Waste of Time, Waste of Money.
When someone pitches a project, Brad asks, "How does this help us grow organic revenue or expand margins" If the answer is vague, it is WOTWOM.
This echoes Warren Buffett’s calendar. Buffett has said he is the richest person in the world because he controls his time. He has shown a calendar like this, Monday, one meeting. Tuesday, zero meetings. Wednesday, zero meetings.
Fred Smith, founder of FedEx, said the same thing, "You have to be completely brutal in the management of your time."
Brad applies this without mercy. He has a chief of staff who knows his priorities. Every decision goes through the same filter, does this move the needle on the two things that matter most.
Time is your only non renewable resource. Spend it like a miser.
Most CEOs waste time on what feels comfortable instead of what matters. Do not do that.
Say no to almost everything. The gap between successful people and very successful people is that the very successful say no all the time.
Quote: "You only have two things, time and capital. How you deploy that time and how you deploy that capital, that is it."
Technology as the Ultimate Edge
Brad is serious about technology. Not because he builds software. He cares because technology cuts waste.
When he entered the garbage business in 1989, he was shocked that trucks did not use GPS for efficient routing. He fixed that right away.
When he bought companies in logistics, he upgraded their tech stack, pricing algorithms, automation, and AI driven forecasting.
This idea is timeless. Andrew Carnegie won steel by investing in technology while others resisted change. Sam Walton spent five hundred million dollars in 1979 on computer systems for logistics. Amancio Ortega built Zara into a fashion giant by building tech that could turn trends into products in seven days.
Brad’s rule, invest in technology. The savings compound. It can be the difference between profit and loss.
Every industry is a technology company now. If you are not investing, you are falling behind.
Competitors who resist change are gifts. Their stubbornness is your opening.
Technology is not overhead, it is an advantage. It frees your people to do higher value work.
Quote: "Every business, every single business, is going to see more automation and more AI. People have to get on the program on that, or they are going to be dinosaurs."
Key Quotes
Ludwig Jesselson, "You have to get the long term trend right. You can get a lot of stuff right, but if you do not get the long term trend right, you are in trouble."
Brad on problems, "Problems are your friend. You do not want to just tolerate problems. You want to embrace problems. You want to hug problems. Problems are the way you succeed."
Brad on perfectionism, "Do not fight with reality, because reality always wins. Nothing is perfect. Literally nothing is perfect that I have found yet."
Brad on A players, "I want all A players around me. I want people whose relationship with me I value so much that if it was ended, I would be lost."
Brad on technology, "Every business, every single business, is going to see more automation and more AI. People have to get on the program on that, or they are going to be dinosaurs."
Brad on public markets, "I love being public. I love the pressure. I love the ability to hear what the street says and agree with what I agree with, but disagree with what I think is wrong."
Fred Smith on time, "You have to be completely brutal in the management of your time."
Brad on incentives, "People come to work to make money for themselves and their families. That is important to understand. You cannot just say, here is what I want. You have to figure out what is in it for them."
Brad on feedback loops, "You do not know how you are doing unless you have radar sending beep beep out there and seeing how it comes back. You have to have intense feedback loops."
Brad on going all in, "If I put my whole heart and soul into a project, I had it in me to create really cool stuff."
Brad Jacobs does not just build companies. He builds machines that solve problems at scale. He is obsessive about people, relentless about feedback, and allergic to waste. His method is simple, find a fragmented industry, recruit A players, buy smart, improve fast, and stay public so the world keeps you honest.
The deeper lesson is this. You cannot build anything great if you fear problems, criticism, or hard work. Brad thrives on all three. He is not just comfortable with pressure, he wants it. He does not just accept imperfection, he expects it. He does not just work hard, he works with purpose and a team that shares his intensity.
Which of Brad’s stories hit you hardest, the one about embracing problems, the A player thought experiment, or the crowdsourced meetings. Whatever it is, take it. Test it. Make it yours. Brad is building his ninth billion dollar company right now. If you are paying attention, he is showing you how he does it.
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